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Le fair play entre les joueurs doit prévaloir. Malgré celà, si un litige a lieu, merci de le poster ici.

Fair play must be the king between the players. But unfortunetly, if a problem happen, thanks to post here.

hi (HG)Betoret ,from get replay clear look , if u no left game i can easy win u my arm 13 unit, incl 3 old guar +8 unit good arm + 2 cav from replay map can look my arm had round ur arm and u only 10 unit arm . incl 7 unit good arm + 3 unit red arm (will run away) ur general red will run away u no cav so i say i can easy win u if u no left . let u and all mate look replay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2Ht-41VL_A

and my arm most near full http://img403.imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img403/7100/napoleon201010182105004.png&via=mupload

Due to the advantage of elite infanterie and due to the advantage of cavaleri.
Due to the advantage of moral of the french army

We have decide (3 different admin) to give the victory to Sunnyk

Sorry (HG)Betoret.

Du fait de l'avantage d'infanterie d'élite et du fait de l'avantage de cavalerie
Du fait de l'avantage du moral de l'armée française.

Nous avons décidé (3 admin différent) de donner la victoire à Sunnyk

Désolé (HG)Betoret.

thx SW_Mault62 , well do , fair and good decide. (HG)Betoret. u know if u no cav and art and gerenal red (will run away) . any time cant use little arm win more lot france arm (old guar + cav)

I accept the decision of the directors, but I disagree, I still possess a cavalry spearmen and 4 lines with 120 unused.

Days ago, he made a mistake Sunnyk friend when he was playing against another HG in this tournament and was losing more clearly that in this situation, yet my partner showing signs of honor HG wanted to repeat the battle though he had won, which still Sunnyk had had the error.

Now is the opposite and less advantage to that was winning, and not repeated?
Even sunnyk makes every effort to give you victory, and frankly I am afraid, is dishonorable and cowardly.

Sunny, if you really think you were going to win you do not mind coming back to play, but if you're afraid to understand that use these tricks to win.

Pour résoudre ce problème, nous vous proposons de rejouer cette partie en présence d'un arbitre.

To resolve this problem, we propose to replay this part with an adjudicator.

I'm not sure what to do. And by "this part" what do you mean? Second match?

I am the embassador of wntdSAS, as he has some problems with language barrier, i will explain his words.

Wntdsas told me that he defeated prussian prince, which was agreed by both players, and in the second game, he killed one of prussianprinces artillery, and then prussianprinces has quited which is also agreed by prussianprince.

The thing is wntdsas is a dedicated player who use artillery very well, and as most of good players do, he uses his artillery in manuel form so that it is more effective.

Killing 3 of 4 battery of arttilery is just the combination of luck and good usage, so prussianprince shouldnt leave and he should be punished by a forfeit given to wntdsas....

Prussianprince should also know that by using artillery bug you can destroy 9 iber artillery even if they are experienced with 6 iber artillery and even they are not .

He also must know very well that leaving in that kind of tourneys are restricted, its both rude and not fair, as you take your opponents time and his advantage.

Thanks for consideration
Turcoman
Wntdsas clan mate and his embassador

hi Betoret , u wrong , in replay can clear watch ur army only 7unit green (good)+ 2unit red(will run away) + 1 unit general red(will run away) and u no any cav . other u can from replay inside map can clear watch me and u all army too . i no know ur cav if put ur home or u blind cant watch replay .
other u say about ur other hg clan vs me, i drop , u say ur hg friend advantage and will win me , But i say No that . when i drop , after i post the screen let ur friend look my army .. then ur friend say rehost .No me say rehost . me drop screen >>>
clanhttps://2img.net/r/ihimizer/i/napoleon201010171827268.png/
HG very good clan. but Betoret , u shame for HG . Other i drop game u leave game angry

Me drop screen https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/i/napoleon201010171827268.png/

Betoret leave game >>> https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/i/napoleon201010182105004.png/

turcoman a écrit:I am the embassador of wntdSAS, as he has some problems with language barrier, i will explain his words.

Wntdsas told me that he defeated prussian prince, which was agreed by both players, and in the second game, he killed one of prussianprinces artillery, and then prussianprinces has quited which is also agreed by prussianprince.

The thing is wntdsas is a dedicated player who use artillery very well, and as most of good players do, he uses his artillery in manuel form so that it is more effective.

Killing 3 of 4 battery of arttilery is just the combination of luck and good usage, so prussianprince shouldnt leave and he should be punished by a forfeit given to wntdsas....

Prussianprince should also know that by using artillery bug you can destroy 9 iber artillery even if they are experienced with 6 iber artillery and even they are not .

He also must know very well that leaving in that kind of tourneys are restricted, its both rude and not fair, as you take your opponents time and his advantage.

Thanks for consideration
Turcoman
Wntdsas clan mate and his embassador

I respect you and I know you're a very good player, but I disagree with you. There are no arty miracles in Napoleon Total War. I also manually aimed my artillery. Explain to me how I didn't manage to get -any- of his cannons and he managed to get all of mine fairly quickly. I sense cheating. But regardless, I agree with Marc's words. The second match should be replayed, but with a referee. That would prevent any cheating and it would be a fair match. But I wouldn't replay the second match without a referee, I'd just give up on it.

PS: What would the "artillery bug" be? Elaborate please. If you mean using your artillery manually to shoot out of range, I know of it.

Me and sunnyk have been discussing about wtndSAS.

First and foremost, both me and sunnyk think he probably used some kind of "super artillery".

Secondly, something else that's not related to that, is the fact we both noticed that he camped in both of the battles I fought against him, and in both of the battles sunnyk fought against him. He didn't even move forward at all. But camping is not against the rules.

Thirdly, I joined this tournament thinking I'll fight players that use honorable tactics, or at least not camp. I thought it was unnecessary to put such a rule, and that it would be common sense. Oh, how wrong I was. Most of the players I fought as of now camped (especially the HG clan, bar 1 guy). I didn't care about the fact camping was not against the rules, but this is getting ridiculous. I was looking for nice, aggressive matches, but so far what I've found is a lot of camping. It's certainly not very fun to play against this kind of players.

Fourthly, the main purpose of this tournament is to HAVE FUN, isn't it? You don't even get much by winning it, so what's the point of using cheap, dishonorable tactics to win? Just have fun, lads, and lay down with the camping.

I will answer you when my friend Turcoman back.

The rules are no rol attack or defense, the bounced in ball cannons is normally no trap, The trap is to abandon the fight in the middle of a battle when it loses. The clan HG is HONOR and PRESTIGE and and good BEHAVIOR.

We abide by the decision of the trustees in the case of Betoret and Sunny, but that does not mean that the cheer.

Personally I did not expect this decision, much less the claim of Sunny because in my struggle I said to restart the battle in a fall from him in which I had a greater advantage than that of the with Betoret.

Sunny no clear advantage in battle with Betoret in moment drop to give victory

We respect the decision of the arbitrators in case Betoret

We Hg we want to be included in any dispute if we are not present. Let alone that references to our tactics if they are legal.

Prince of Prussia If you disagree with our way of game, not playing with us has the problem solved.

After talking to Chevalier_Marc, I was given 2 options: replay the second match with a referee, or forfeit it. I decided to forfeit it to him.

And to DuendeVerde and the rest of the HG clan, your tactics are legal, I never said anything about that. But they are cheap and dishonorable ones. You talk well-mannered, but you're still dishonorable because of the tactics most of you are using. Asides from Rarramel I can't recall who else didn't camp from the HG clan that I've fought until now.

Camping close to the border so you can protect your back from cavalry because you barely need to protect yourself from cavalry attacking you from behind is one of the cheapest tactics one can use.

Staying quite close to the border of the map is border camping. Tell me, what do you find honorable in that? You're using all of the ways you can to win a battle, be them good or bad. I personally don't find anything honorable in that, so I won't play with you again. I might play with some of you but some of you only. I loved to play against Rarramel a lot, he actually used some very nice tactics against me.

So you should get those tactics out of your head if you want to be considered honorable. In my eyes, even if you win with that tactic, you actually lost.

The only honorable is not out of the midst of a battle because it is losing and that over the opponent is a cheat.
If you have had any complaints from me or from some comrade mine because not said at the time instead of saying good game.
You have a special measuring stick Honor uses when it suits him and when you should not not use it.
The only thing clear is that bag you do not like losing and will use the drop when the battle gets bad.

I can't understand your first sentence, but I kind of understand the second one. I said 'good game' because at the time I didn't care of what kind of tactics you used and I didn't want to argue at the time.

Your point is moot because your actions in the battle define how honorable you are as well, not just outside of the battle.

I never dropped intentionally when I considered that my opponent fought without cheating and without camping.

I think I made clear my position and I reiterate what was said.

J'ai eu l'honneur d'affronter le woc wtndSAS hier!Je demande humblement a se qu'une étude sois faites sur son cas s.v.p!En effet son artillerie est bien plus qu'étonante!Je ne dis pas sa pour foutre le bordel mais je me demande si d'autre joueurs ont eu le meme probleme!Pour ma part c est la premiere fois que je vois un rush prussien recaler par deux artillerie!Chose incroyable il arrive a tirer en arriere,je ne savais pas sa possible!La violence de son artillerie non gradé est imprssionnante!Et je ne veux meme pas parler de ses longs tires!Mon armée a perdu du Moral dés le début!Je considère les deux parties effectué comme perdu mais je doute de la réel valeur de mon adversaire!Je vous présente mes salutations!

Messieurs j ai pris la liberté d'envoyer l'un de mes camarades(Taltt) pour jouer contre le woc!!Il a fait le meme constat seulement cet fois replay il y a!Je demande humblement a se qu'il soit annalyser par les admin merci d'avance!!

Après visionnage du replay, les admins n'ont vu aucune anomalie concernant l'artillerie de wtndSAS.
Le replay que Kazuo Taoka a retiré de son post est disponible sur demande.

After watching the replay, the Administrators have seen any unusual artillery wtndSAS.
The replay, removed by Kazuo Taoka from his post, is available upon request.

Le replay a été retiré à la demande de WOC Alpertunga après une longue discussion, supérieur de WOC SAS, il vous donnera volontier confirmation.
Concernant votre décision sur le visionnage, elle vous regarde et vous etes parfaitement légitimes pour la prendre.

Cordialement